WOW, What a change from a CLC4000! I am extremely impressed with this press, and the service and support from Xerox! It took about 2 full days to get it set-up and running, and now the fun begins for me.

I have the Fiery EX front end, Second Feed module and High Capacity Stacker. This thing flies in All Weights Mode, a VDP job that took 2 hours on my old Canon took just over 30 minutes yesterday. The colors are constant, front to back registrations was within .5mm (+ or - 2mm each side on Canon), I feel like a groom on his wedding night!

I am sure there will be bumps in the road later on, but for now I am just going to enjoy what I have. Thankfully my service engineer is only 15 min. from my shop. He already told me I am the most important machine he has in the area and I will take priority over anything else. There are a lot of small machines in our area, we are the only shop within an hours drive with a press this size.

Craig,

What speed are you getting?

Was the job simplex or duplexed?

What stock were you using?

I remember seeing in an older post that you where looking at other press, what was the final reason based on to get the 8000?

I run a 5000 and for the small runs it is great, but can be slow on the 12x18 cover with large runs.

Would like to know if there are many others out there with the 5000,7000, & 8000 press.

Craig

Hi Craig,
First on the speed, I ran the job in the All Weights mode, it was running at about 18 a minute duplexed. I have to run some time studies, I have a similar job to run in the morning.

The simplex job I ran this morning was 18x12 on 216gsm and it ran at 35 a minute (in All Weights mode).

The stock for both jobs was 18x12 216gsm, Wausau Color Copy Cover we had left over.

We were looking at 2 other machines, the Canon ImagePress7000 and the Xerox 5000. Much of the decision to NOT go with Canon was made after our CLC4000 went down for almost a week for the second time and the only thing that Canon would say was "Get an ImagePress". After my trip to Graph Expo and speaking with Canon folks, I came to my own conclusion that the support for my CLC would more than likely be what I should expect on the ImagePress. As for the decision between the 5000 and the 8000AP it came down to productivity on the 12x18 cover weight sheets and my projected growth for the next five years.

As for the quality I think both the 5000 and 8000AP are close, the 5000 seems to be a little more saturated in the colors from what I saw at Graph Expo.

I hope that answered your questions, feel free to fire some more off, I'll report more after I run some time studies tomorrow.

Hi Craig,

Can you give me an idea of types of jobs that you run and the stock weights.

I work at a commercial printer that got the 5000 in March to get their feet wet and for the most part is working out. I run alot of cover stock mostly 100 gloss. The 5000 does not support running duplex with stock from 221-300 does the 8000 support duplexing at these higher weights.

My daily runs go from 6-100 sheets per job small business card lots and postcard.

I started to run a large variable job but it was just taking to long so they offset printed the 28 lots of cards and inkjet addressed later.

Which DFE did you choose? I have the CREO Spire. and they use PrintShop Mail for the variable setups.

Craig

Hi Craig, someone just looking at this thread might think a person is having a conversation with themselves.

We run a variety of jobs a about 70% is static the rest would be variable data. Many of the jobs we run are on 80lb cover 12x18, but we run a lot of coated text as well. Our runs vary from a few to our longest of 12,000. (up until last week everything was run on a CLC4000)

On the duplexing of 221-300 gsm stock the 8000AP does not support it yet, but I have seen an e-mail sent to my sales rep that stated it will support it in the future??? I have duplexed a few sheets by setting the tray for a lighter stock, ran just fine.

I have the Fiery EX8000AP server. The largest VDP job I have run to date was 3000 records, I sent it a ppml and it took 5 minutes to process, on my old Fiery it took almost 15 minutes, and I couldn't use ppml. Our VDP is set up in Fusion Pro.

I had a run on Friday that was 1680 12x18 sheets duplexed, I did the time study on it and it ran at 1200 sheets per hour in the All Weights mode.

Hope this helped!

We had alot of success with our 8000 when we first installed it. The biggest problem we had was when we started getting longer runs. We were doing jobs of 30,000 records duplexed 2 up on 12x18 cover stock. We simply just started to wear the machine out. We installed an igen and have been very happy with that. Your runs have been small so far but watch out running in the all weights mode once you get a healthy amount of clicks on the machine. You may start to encounter problems and the technicians will complain that you are not running on the correct paper weights. We had the fiery front end our our 8000 but now that I have a Creo on our igen I wish I had the creo for the 8000.

You made the right choice in picking Xerox over Cannon. Xerox has the better support in place. I have dealt with IKON on an older machine of ours and the support was a joke. My IKON rep came in to try and sell us the Cannon 7000. It was kind of gratifying to tell him that I just had an Igen installed.

Keith

Keith,

You said you were running duplexed on cover stock, was that 80lb or 100lb at the lower setting?
Our techs are complaining about the stock that we run to.

Craig, the one with the 5000

Thanks for the tips Keith, I'll keep my peeps peeled on the longer runs.

Craig H.

<snort> Yeah, it's always the paper, isn't it.

80lb cover (216gsm) should be good.

There's some news on the 7000AP/8000AP front: Xerox now supports auto duplex of stock weights all the way up to the machine maximum of 300gsm, for sheets 11x17 and larger, both coated and uncoated.

There are some custom paper profile settings involved for maximum image quality, if it's important to you.

They haven't changed the machine at all; the specified procedure involves lying to the machine and setting the paper tray to the next-to-last paper weight setting. But Xerox does document that they support this now, officially.

Of course, they're just acknowledging what every print shop in the world has done since the Doc 40...

See the new customer expectation document for details, and don't let your techs blow you off on this one.

Thats funny, I have been doing this since the second day of install. Runs 300 gsm 12x18 duplex like a champ! You are correct, you need to make some changes in the front to back registration, and I found it seems to register better in Single Weight mode vs All Weights mode.